April 21st, 2017

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Syconium, page 134 by: Furrama May 27, 2017, 5:13 pm

Oh here it is, the tie in the the MOON thing.
Syconium, page 127 by: Furrama May 27, 2017, 3:28 pm

Looking back on it, I guess panel seven was hinting at her real colors.
Syconium, page 166 by: Kaidona May 26, 2017, 3:14 pm

It's a source of frustration for me that nasty people manage to trick kids into thinking they're oppressed because they're unhealthily obsessed with [thing]. That's my only major contribution.

As far as why I don't like fictionkin it's a matter of perspective. My original works are very personal to me. The last thing I would want is some stranger claiming that one of the characters I spent over a decade crafting was their identity.

Kuu's argumen specifically had to do with them, not otherkin as a whole. I joined simply to clarify what fictionkin were and it spiralled.

Syconium, page 166 by: May 26, 2017, 1:45 pm

Yeah and the original argument was that "it's easy to dismiss women feeling powerless because otherkin exist." The whole thing is indefensible.
Syconium, page 166 by: Finity May 26, 2017, 12:43 pm

Yeah, you know, as an otherkin (and transgender) reader, this has been kind of an uncomfortable conversation to watch crop up out of basically nowhere.
Kaidona, I'm under the impression that people will take any excuse to justify their hatred for transgender identities; the fault doesn't lie with otherkin or fictionkin (and/or kids being publicly embarrassing online, which they will always find new and interesting ways to do on their journeys to adulthood). No sense in holding any of them responsible.
Syconium, page 166 by: May 26, 2017, 9:05 am

This page is about rape fantasies dinamics and sex and you guys link it to otherkins and transexual people just to report your distaste.
Syconium, page 166 by: Kaidona May 26, 2017, 7:07 am

Okay, the reason I didn't get into the part about the trans community being affected is because it's not only trolls, and I'm fully aware that most of them are. I was attempting not to extend the discussion further holy shit.

Next time try not to call people gullible where it's unwarranted. Trolls or not it DOES affect the trans community. People who aren't aware of the troll ratio see that shit and pass judgements in all directions.

Syconium, page 166 by: kuu May 26, 2017, 6:35 am

and how the hell is it healthy and good to be mentaly ill and link yourself to a fictional character? i can't report a nice troll to the mods but

"i had a two hour panic attack because I'l never see Papyrus and Dad again" how is that healthy to use for your mental illness? "well I don't know why I'm upset, must be because I won't see my fellow Undertale cannonmates again"
Syconium, page 166 by: kuu May 26, 2017, 6:19 am

well the one who was crying about seeing porn of themself on tumblr is on chickensmootie. gotta love a kid friendly site where they black list snarky people who tell the trolls to stop being trollish while being labled one themself

they should make me a mod there and give strikes to the kiddos who pull those stunts.
a harsh no nonsence one "hi i'm kin of _______ blahblahblah" and blacklist from the 'kin topic you go more when the pranksters go "hey I'm kin of _________ I'm looking for cannon mates from my own world"

and then they cry about how mean the world is and wear ribbons for mental health awarness or sob how mommy and daddy don't care about their belief.

I think I have a screen capture of the mentaly ill kid who was on tumblr and "saw images of her kintype that were of an adult nature and it got her very upset to the point of a panic attack" or it put them in tears and they really wish people would tag it. because it was offensive.

when so many are ill why not just push to make fiction kin a mental illness? it's for their own good. at least now they could get some legal benefits. a person who beliefs to be a video game character can be discriminated against, a mentally ill person can't
Syconium, page 166 by: May 25, 2017, 7:53 pm

how to know the otherkin trolls are successful: people like kuu and kaidona fell for it
Syconium, page 166 by: May 25, 2017, 3:47 pm

well this went places

i know it's tempting to make fun of otherkin because they seem weird, but let me tell you most of the extreme otherkin behavoir you've seen is almost certainly trolls trying to make them look bad. most otherkin/fictionkin are usually just mentally ill and/or young people using fictional characters to cope, and you rarely ever see them pulling dramatic bs like the comments have been describing.
Syconium, page 166 by: May 25, 2017, 12:15 pm

This conversation is waaaaay weirder than someone empathizing with Greenie.
Syconium, page 166 by: May 25, 2017, 7:29 am

person 1:
"help help someone is spreading sexualy explicit images of me on the internet"

person 2: * sees images* "uh these are drawings of what looks like a Final Fantasy character"

person 1: "yeah that is me, it's so horrible. isn't it. I know what revenge porn now feels like"
Syconium, page 166 by: kuu May 25, 2017, 6:35 am

well it is all patrarchy, be it a real woman oggled AND a guy oggling a cartoon character a woman thinks she is. it does mean oggling a real person

so if I thought I was an anime/game/comic/cartoon character. I have every right to be weirded out when I know how many people think I'm sexy and collect naughty drawings of me and fantasize about me..., me being said character?

that is the same thing?

"stop having sexual thoughts about Orihime Inoue because that is who I really am. my problem is as valid as being groped on the subway! its the same thing, trust me on this. it is cat calling to me"

that is valid?
Syconium, page 166 by: May 24, 2017, 10:04 am

It is better to just believe women when they say things rather than trying to empathize through a false equivalency. Systemic patriarchy and the effects of that system are not at all the same as the one time you felt weird because you found out fictionkin exist.
Syconium, page 166 by: kuu May 24, 2017, 7:41 am

i gave it as an example.

if I said this makes me uncomphertable because I identify as these, and say "i am the real one"

when another woman says "I don't like people perving on me"

and I say "I know how you feel. here is my story"

more women "people see me as_________" will be
"oh yeah, I encounterd one of those." and tell them my story.

as for the "it hurts the Trans community"

80% of facebook likes the way tumblr acts

hopefully Zack's characters don't get hijacked, but they won't because other's comics were more popular or marketable. maybe it's to cerebral of a work or the niche is to small . but it's a thing
Syconium, page 166 by: May 24, 2017, 1:43 am

"Look at all these Tumblr PERVERTS, I am totally normal and not like them at all"
Syconium, page 166 by: Kaidona May 23, 2017, 3:39 pm

Particularly if you don't want a concussion from hitting yourself in the face too much. And then you still hope to gods the people you follow aren't eventually poisoned by the toxicity you're trying to guard yourself from. I've seen a lot of people I followed getting worn down and turned by the parts of Tumblr they criticized. It's painful to watch.

Syconium, page 166 by: May 23, 2017, 3:06 pm

All you can do over there is make extra damn sure to follow the right people, then block, block, block like whoa whenever the crazies show up.
Syconium, page 166 by: Kaidona May 23, 2017, 1:35 pm

It affects the trans community as well, but I won't get into that. Tumblr in itself is a toxic place if you end up on the wrong end.

Syconium, page 166 by: May 23, 2017, 12:26 pm

Absolutely ridiculous. That argument is the literal definition of a straw man fallacy.
Syconium, page 166 by: Kaidona May 23, 2017, 11:55 am

As far as I know, nobody who comments on the pages directly is a fictionkin who has claimed one of Zack's characters as their kintype. I think what Kuu is getting at is that Tumblr drama has gotten so over the top that legitimate issues, like actual women's issues, are being invalidated by things like people who seriously need help freaking out over porn of their kintypes as though it were porn of themselves.

People who do that don't differentiate, either. You have to ask really uncomfortable questions to figure out what the issue is or go digging and sometimes they get offended because you don't trust them enough to take them seriously at face value. That's the problem; things like that have ruined it for the real issues.

Syconium, page 166 by: May 23, 2017, 9:09 am

"I can't take a woman/women seriously because I saw someone acting in a way I thought was weird on the internet" is the strangest personal grievance/straw man fallacy combo I think I've seen yet. I can't even tell if it's misogynistic, it's just too much of a stretch.
Syconium, page 166 by: May 23, 2017, 6:35 am

Okay, wait, is someone doing that here? Is someone here saying they're one of the characters? I feel like I missed something.
Syconium, page 166 by: kuu May 23, 2017, 5:46 am

being the powerless woman. and viewing cartoon characters as powerless. and saying you are a cartoon character

people sexualizing said character is sexualizing they sexualize YOU. both and all are powerless. so it is the same thing as doing it to real people.

and it's personal.

there is no ymmv and "points of view"
it would me like me going "Zack you are cool and all, but I identify as Plum and I don't like how you are portraying me. it makes me feel weird you are using my personal life as entertainment....I would never do some of those things too! I'm the real Plum and would never be a sex worker."

then ask someone if they drew an anthro Plum in a pornographic pinup "please take that down, I'm the real Plum and I don't do that"
Syconium, page 166 by: kuu May 23, 2017, 5:39 am


to say sexualizing a character. and someone who identify as them. a "my parents and the doctor are wrong..."

some do it as a coping mechanism like "i can't live life unless I tell myself I'm Harlie Quinn"

but to say "it is valid to flip out when tumblr users don't tag porn of your kintype. that is you after all"

so bringing it up. in a "it's hard to listen and believe a woman when she..." because we live in a world where that is legit as well as crying molestation when someone bombards you with naughty emogies

so you know. someone who is having a panic attack because they saw some smut "of themself" and "why do people think of me that's icky oh my god the filth won't come off" is being lumped into the same boat as actual rape molestation, sextortion, revenge porn and what not.

so it being the same thing. some people are going to view the worse as "sure you are not just saying things for attention?"

when you need to say to the person "I know how you feel. someone set up cameras in my house and took photos of me in intimate private ways and spread them all over the internet. I know what it's like, and because you identify as a 14 year old anime character it's worse. I'm here if you need me"